Plots, back stabbings, coups and civil wars are nothing new in the ranks of 'Welsh' Labour as the people of Swansea and Cardiff can testify, so despite the odd rumble of discontent, it is perhaps all the more remarkable that Kevin Madge has managed to get through three years as leader of Carmarthenshire County Council.
Massive spending cuts, a torrent of scandals, huge increases in council tax and other charges at a time when household budgets have been under intense pressure, being shackled to Mark James and the marriage of convenience with Meryl Gravell and Pam Palmer have not made Kev's time at the top a happy one.
Kevin Madge and the county council are electoral toxic waste, as Labour's canvassers are discovering, and so it comes as no surprise to hear that moves are once again afoot in Llanelli to ditch the walking disaster from Garnant.
One of Labour's biggest problems in Carmarthenshire is that its gene pool of talent is vanishingly small. Only two of Labour's front bench team could be serious contenders for the leadership, and only one of them comes from Llanelli. He does not wear a beehive, either.
But will he take the plunge?