tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-118857435900510280.post5643193827914204220..comments2023-05-08T10:46:34.371+01:00Comments on Y Cneifiwr: Turning a blind eye - Labour and UKIPUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-118857435900510280.post-76439713729732329662014-03-17T22:50:43.969+00:002014-03-17T22:50:43.969+00:00Dafydd Elis Thomas was the Presiding Officer of th...Dafydd Elis Thomas was the Presiding Officer of the Assembly for 12 years. If he didn't like the way in which Committee Chairs were appointed, why didn't he do something about it during those 12 years?<br /><br />Curious also is that he didn't complain about his position on the committee being a political appointment.<br /><br />The Labour party removed 3 AMs off one committee because it didn't agree with government policy. The Tories also removed Nick Ramsey as a committee Chair.<br /><br />As you point out, Cneifiwr, the Labour party is more interested in attacking Plaid than it is UKIP. My theory is that this will be a 15 month campaign against Plaid to try and win Arfon and Carmarthen East in 2015 and force Leanne Wood out. I can't see that happening though.<br /><br />What I worry about is how the supposedly independent BBC is running with Labour press releases each day. They're political unit is an absolute waste of space.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-118857435900510280.post-51955758564451766662014-03-17T18:18:11.248+00:002014-03-17T18:18:11.248+00:00Perhaps subsumed was too strong a word to use.
Ho...Perhaps subsumed was too strong a word to use.<br /><br />However what this country joined with consent was a trading block of six countries. it has now morphed over time into a semi political union which nobody has ever voted for.<br /><br />Over the years the electorate could not even have decided on pro or anti parties at domestic general elections as all the parties have been in favour of the status quo.<br /><br />If I were given a vote I think I would vote to to stay in Europe BUT this is for me to decide and my consent should not be taken for granted.<br /><br />I agree with DET in that those who support UKIP should not automatically be seen as a nutter or anti Welsh. <br /><br />I still think UKIP will win a stunning victory at the Euro elections but people will revert to normal at the general. If anything mind I think the Labour Party will lose support because they are not offering a referndum.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-118857435900510280.post-18196356415401213612014-03-17T12:20:48.832+00:002014-03-17T12:20:48.832+00:00Sorry Cneifiwr, it is all very well the UK governm...Sorry Cneifiwr, it is all very well the UK government opting out of agreements with the EU but what have they done to monitor and enforce legislation in respect of the rights of ordinary working people? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-118857435900510280.post-48404116054079877862014-03-17T09:11:28.431+00:002014-03-17T09:11:28.431+00:00Every political party has to have a "bogeyman...Every political party has to have a "bogeyman". For the Conservatives it is Labour and vice-versa; for the Lib-Dems it is Labour AND Conservative. For Plaid it is all three! UKIP just lumps togethet ALL other politicians and calls it the EU to make it simple, because UKIP likes simple (it's all it is capable of).<br /><br />Remember, continental Europe is just over 20 miles away from us. When push comes to shove (and this is now happening with Crimea) we need all the friends we can get - plus we get to keep a good eye on them from inside the tent should they start to turn unfriendly!<br /><br />And we can't rely on the USA - we have no "special" <br />relationship with that country - we are just cannon fodder for them.<br /><br />UKIP is "little England" and a vote for them is a vote for a view of a world which has not existed since the Victorian Empire - and look what happened there!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-118857435900510280.post-27886384553438747242014-03-17T06:47:55.457+00:002014-03-17T06:47:55.457+00:00Anon@18.32
I take your point that some people fee...Anon@18.32<br /><br />I take your point that some people feel they are being "subsumed" by Europe. I would genuinely be interested to know what it is about the EU that they feel has intruded on their lives.<br /><br />It is important to remember that UK governments have negotiated opt outs on a number of EU agreements which benefit ordinary working people, including the Working Time Directive and other measures to improve employee rights.Cneifiwrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08767078276794410524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-118857435900510280.post-41272865298457404122014-03-16T22:25:50.859+00:002014-03-16T22:25:50.859+00:00I am Welsh,I could speak Welsh before I could spea...I am Welsh,I could speak Welsh before I could speak <br />English,probably vote UKIP in euro election.Seen too<br />many things going on first hand, I live outside the bubble.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-118857435900510280.post-41643213044566742702014-03-16T21:40:07.039+00:002014-03-16T21:40:07.039+00:00My ideal candidate is NOT from Eton, has had a REA...My ideal candidate is NOT from Eton, has had a REAL job before going into politics and sees his or her job as representing the views of his her constituents without fear or favour and has never, ever thought if voting UKIP!<br /><br />And still I dream .....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-118857435900510280.post-16858667552516114972014-03-16T20:30:39.292+00:002014-03-16T20:30:39.292+00:00I am so disappointed in the way Plaid has dealt wi...I am so disappointed in the way Plaid has dealt with a true fighter for the cause -Lord Elis Thomas has fought more battles for Plaid than Ms Wood has had hot dinner - a true welsh hero and is treated so shabbily - Ms Wood is beginning to appear like another in famous lady politician - my way or no way Whats your thought Cneifwr Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-118857435900510280.post-42776569952928164952014-03-16T18:32:21.608+00:002014-03-16T18:32:21.608+00:00I'm pretty sure that if the other parties were...I'm pretty sure that if the other parties were scrutinised in as much detail as UKIP there would be as many nutters found as in UKIP.<br /><br />The trouble is many people in this country are just fed up with being subsumed by Europe without any fresh consent being sought for a generation. UKIP will play on these feelings and this is quite reasonable.<br /><br />I have a feeling that UKIP will have a stunning success at the Euro elections BUT it will be short lived as it will only ever be a protest vote. The electorate will return to normal voting habits for the general election.<br /><br />I agree with DET on this - just because you tend to agree with UKIP doesn't make you un-Welsh.<br /><br />I am a Labour man by the way - although I am re-thinking this after recent events with CCC.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-118857435900510280.post-73370560448824624842014-03-16T14:54:04.181+00:002014-03-16T14:54:04.181+00:00The reason people are turning to UKIP is not to su...The reason people are turning to UKIP is not to support their policies but to shake up the current governments to act responsibly.<br />At the moment it is just a political war between parties with very little thought of what the electorate think.<br />Carmarthenshire, unfortunately, is a prime example.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-118857435900510280.post-3930103494487703852014-03-16T13:53:15.653+00:002014-03-16T13:53:15.653+00:00"150,000 Welsh jobs which are directly depend..."150,000 Welsh jobs which are directly dependent on the EU, £5 billion of trade, EU aid to the Valleys and West Wales." How many of these are public servants? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-118857435900510280.post-75871623132063099902014-03-16T13:38:55.492+00:002014-03-16T13:38:55.492+00:00A recent article in the Guardian posited the theor...A recent article in the Guardian posited the theory that UKIP is as much a threat to Labour as to the Tories because it attracts middle-aged and older working class men who feel they've been abandoned by New Labour since the Bliar years. And of course there is also the "plague on all your houses" element which is disillusioned with all the mainstream parties. It's a dangerous situation.Lesleynoreply@blogger.com