tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-118857435900510280.post2719446850930546050..comments2023-05-08T10:46:34.371+01:00Comments on Y Cneifiwr: C4M - bigotry on the march in Carmarthenshire - UpdatedUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-118857435900510280.post-59835326204867989052015-04-09T23:13:22.139+01:002015-04-09T23:13:22.139+01:00Christ listed "Sexual Immorality" as an ...Christ listed "Sexual Immorality" as an "evil." But you don't need to be a Theologian to realise that 39 million dead means something is wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-118857435900510280.post-34381356351334822942012-04-10T11:30:55.930+01:002012-04-10T11:30:55.930+01:00I think that's how it works in the UK as well....I think that's how it works in the UK as well.<br /><br />The Church (or chapel) wedding means nothing, legally, without the legal signmature, in front of an official registrar. OK, the official registrar is usually in the vestry, but it's still the state part of the wedding.<br /><br />On the main point of the article, the odd thing about the "Christian" response to Gay marriage is that I haven't yet seen anyone quoting Christ or his teachings as to why Gay marriage is so terrible. It seems to be a human objection based on a restricted reading of the Old Testament.Iestynnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-118857435900510280.post-57487875861656807792012-04-10T08:52:22.617+01:002012-04-10T08:52:22.617+01:00The answer would be to follow the French Model .
...The answer would be to follow the French Model .<br /><br />Only State Marriages are legally recognised<br /><br />The custom is to be married by the local official. (The Mayor).<br /><br />Then if you are inclined go to a place of Worship and undergo a ceremonial.<br /><br />You can have both or just the civil ceremony. But a Church wedding on its own is not a legal marriage.<br /><br /><br /><br />Only the first isglynbeddauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09933352430631144936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-118857435900510280.post-45244707707115876692012-04-10T07:44:19.227+01:002012-04-10T07:44:19.227+01:00Da iawn, Bratiaith. Sounds radical, doesn't it...Da iawn, Bratiaith. Sounds radical, doesn't it? But that's exactly how things work in most European countries, and that's how it's been for a very long time. You have a civil ceremony first, and then, if you want, you can go to church, mosque, etc.Cneifiwrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08767078276794410524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-118857435900510280.post-48175292270829397992012-04-10T07:28:56.738+01:002012-04-10T07:28:56.738+01:00The simple answer to all this is for the State to ...The simple answer to all this is for the State to cease recognising religious marriages. Churches/mosques/temples will then be free to say who can or cannot indergo their ceremonies. State recognised marriages would only occur in registry offices.Bratiaithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17293801767450481502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-118857435900510280.post-64211160698664947982012-04-09T18:02:36.369+01:002012-04-09T18:02:36.369+01:00Thanks Welsh Agenda. I have updated the post to in...Thanks Welsh Agenda. I have updated the post to include the link.Cneifiwrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08767078276794410524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-118857435900510280.post-59648510819494714302012-04-09T16:50:20.743+01:002012-04-09T16:50:20.743+01:00Another great post.
I just wanted to spread the...Another great post. <br /><br />I just wanted to spread the word about the Campaign for Equal Marriage, a broad based organisation putting the case for equal marriage in England and Wales. <br /><br />http://www.c4em.org.uk/ <br /><br />It is supported by a range of community, religious groups and the mainstream political parties (but notably not Plaid Cymru).<br /><br />They also an online petition that you can sign if you support equality under the law.Welsh Agendahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06123802771650817748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-118857435900510280.post-79603356341243874632012-04-09T15:23:38.135+01:002012-04-09T15:23:38.135+01:00A little pedantic I think. Everybody knows to whom...A little pedantic I think. Everybody knows to whom the term "gay community" refers.<br /><br />Also, pointing out the defficiencies in arguments promoted by political opponents is a perfectly reasonable form of debate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-118857435900510280.post-8896391163031432322012-04-09T14:33:33.817+01:002012-04-09T14:33:33.817+01:00I think you might have misunderstood me Cneifiwr, ...I think you might have misunderstood me Cneifiwr, I was certainly not advocating staying aloof, I would recommend putting a counter-proposition as an alternative view that challenges C4M in a public debate.<br /><br />My personal view on the matter would be:<br /><br />"... to abolish marriage completely in favour of a 'simple registration of intent', a legal registration, that is followed by whatever ceremony or celebration the participants wish."<br /><br />... then everything is equal.<br /><br />My use of the expression "gay community" would have been better put as "those excluded from marriage".Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05037177825712467778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-118857435900510280.post-41514282850893969492012-04-09T13:31:17.689+01:002012-04-09T13:31:17.689+01:00Thanks John. I don't think there is such a thi...Thanks John. I don't think there is such a thing as the 'gay community', but that's another issue.<br /><br />I agree with you that ideally all debates should be conducted in the way you suggest, but when you're up against organisations like C4M which believe the end justifies the means, and which are happy to mislead provided they get the right result, it is naive to try to stay aloof.Cneifiwrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08767078276794410524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-118857435900510280.post-14435072898575145152012-04-09T13:03:24.347+01:002012-04-09T13:03:24.347+01:00It's amazing that when we try to show our tole...It's amazing that when we try to show our tolerance we in turn become intolerant.<br /><br />Where we find a message is abhorrent, it is far easier to place barriers around that message that confront it, as you have by writing ...<br /><br />"Supporters of C4M are of course entitled to their views, but their tactics and the message of hatred they are spreading have no place in a civilised society."<br /><br />... if, as we probably agree, the gay community should be afforded the very same rights in all aspects life as every other citizen, surely it is time to become vocal in explaining why the proposed legislation is the way forward rather than attacking the messengers of opposition.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05037177825712467778noreply@blogger.com